Originally posted by Runik@Sun, 2005-10-16 @ 08:46 PM
Yeah, Saturnin rocks
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Sun, 2005-10-16 @ 11:25 PM
If it managed to run at all then I would agree. So far the only emulator to win that title on my system is Cassini.
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Originally posted by Runik+Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 08:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Runik @ Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 08:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Cassini talking isn't welcome around here ... you should try Girigiri saturn instead
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 08:19 AM
I like emulators that work. Cassini works; GiriGiri Saturn (better known as GiriGiriGav) does not. I'll talk about Cassini for as long as I have to use it because nobody else can be bothered to write code which works. Yabause works (congratulations for that) but the emulation is inferior to that of Cassini.
Originally posted by Amon+Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 04:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Amon @ Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 04:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>:blah
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 10:24 AM
Nothing in Cassini is stolen. All code used has been granted permission for use in Cassini. Sega do not care what people do with GiriGiri so long as nobody makes a monetary profit from their work.
It helps if you read their forum occasionally rather than just listening to hype.
I have a Saturn, but it's damned inconvenient to have to burn a new CD-R (one-use, then coaster - CD-Rs are too expensive, cheap as they are for me at 50 pence a shot) and I don't know if twiddling the laser to read CD-RWs will affect the lifespan of the console.
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 12:24 PM
Nothing in Cassini is stolen. All code used has been granted permission for use in Cassini. Sega do not care what people do with GiriGiri so long as nobody makes a monetary profit from their work.
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Originally posted by ExCyber@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 12:24 PM
If that's the case, then I'm sure you can link to a scan of a statement from Sega's legal department, on company letterhead? After the crap they pulled initially, I won't settle for anything less as proof (and frankly, they shouldn't either, so I don't think this is too much to ask).
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In the last release, a long time aggressive group of people led by Keith, did as they have done for ages, flamed Cassini to no end.
The 2 largest complaints (aside from Cassini being based on GiriGiri) is the use of 2 tools added in 3.0.
The first, a slightly modified version of CDmage.
Keith and his cronies seem to feel unless THEY have copies of each and every email of communication Team Cassini has, that it must not exist and thus they have the right to cause flame wars.
(It is bad enough the amount of hatred displayed on their own forum, but then they try to repeatedly flood our own forums with their hate. They go too far however when they begin to make threats of physical injury (and for this, and this alone, have been reported to watch groups for internet violence).
On their forums, they bitch and bitch to no end that Team Cassini refuses to address their flames in this matter.
And why should we?
When our own forums were down for a move to a new location, they used the time to
spread rumors and outright lies that Cassini was shut down for criminal activities
when nothing could be further from the truth.
We have better things to do then waste time with all their hatred.
None the less...
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-------Original Message-------
From: Snail
Date: 04/9/03 16:42:44
To: cdm@orcon.net.nz
Subject: Permission
I am interested in using your tool for its 2535 capabilities in a project I am working on.
-------Received Message-------
From: Thorn
Date: 04/12/03 13:02:28
To: Snail
Subject: RE: Permission
meh, it's there for use by all
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Next, was the outrage caused by the new loader.
I want to make it clear, that the code was submitted for use by Team Cassini.
Those submitting the code were credited.
The code was modified to work with the Cassini Emulator (which it did not prior.)
The problem comes in that, claims have been made that those who submitted the code did not make it.
Keith and his cronies have accused Team Cassini of having "stolen" the code.
They do not care what so ever about who "leaked" the code.
At their forum they deleted every post made to clarify and defend this situation.
They attempted to flood and destroy the Cassini forums.
Next, they made claim to all the work, on other emu sites, and continue to trash it on their own forums.
"Thank you Keith for the updated status of this emulator and its new features!"
This is on NGEmu, EmuFanatics, Emus4You, and likely more.
Keith... who has nothing to do with Cassini, and hosts the CRAPsinni hate forum.
Within the past week, many people have stepped up to claim the code as their own;
(most of them with IP's matching those from Crapsinni) and even claimed work done by Snail,
as entirely their own.
Clearly, many liars in all at Crapsinni.
This has resulted in our banning of several users, placing security and rules on the forum,
and making it clear, Team Cassini will NOT tolerate this sort of behavior,
especially from Crapsinni supporters, a.k.a. EmuTalk.
Given the long time Keith and his supporters have attacked Cassini, it is very much believed
this situation was caused intentionally.
The one and only person with possible legitimate claim, is the one who never made any.
As such, since credit was given where thought due, since the code has been changed to work on Cassini,
since so many people have lied about development of the code, and since the one possible person
that may have started the original code has acted as they have, the code will remain as is.
Further, far more scrutiny will be given to outside support of the project.
Also...
Added a new tool, with even more supports.
GSaturn, is a .NET frontend/multitool, that to my knowledge is a 100% work by
Lau Han Ching (minor alterations to work on Cassini).
One of the largest flames against Cassini, is that it is not 100%
"our" work. Well, I took at look at what Crapsinni they had to say about Lau's
work. Guess what... flamed as well.
In May, EmuTalk, a.k.a. Crapsinni, even started sending Lau virii and flames via e-mail... sound familiar?
Several Cassini members had to change email accounts over the past couple weeks from simular attacks.
The point is, Keith and his cronies are all about flaming, hate, and destroying anything they don't have total control over.
They have lied, flamed, attacked, trashed forums, made personal threats, sent virii, spammed e-mail, attacked servers, and all over something, they claim,
is shit and they could care less about.
Keith will tell you he's not about hate at all and make invites to forums, only then to make it into a bashing.
Our choice to ban these sort of people, remove their posts, and refuse to step down to their level, is not to be anti-social, rather,
it is to brush them aside without resorting to the same sort of attacks they use on others.
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-------Original Message-------
From: Snail
Date: 07/30/05 09:55:12
To: gsaturntool
Subject: Permission
Hello.
I am requesting your permission to use your GoGo frontend in our Sega Saturn project.
You will receive full credit for your work.
I ask, as it will have to be modified to work with our files.
This we can do ourselves, we merely seek your permission to do so.
-------Received Message-------
From: gsaturntool
Date: 07/31/05 02:15:45
To: Snail
Subject: RE: Permission
It is freeware. Use At Your Own Risk
I am being all to glad to be included.
I received no support at other places so am I being very honored.
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 10:13 PM
Very lastly, if other emulators are so awesome and Cassini is such a pile of shit why is the following track record for Saturn emulators on my system as follows:
Satourne 1.1p: CRASHES (GPF) ON "START EMULATION"
Saturnin 0.31: CHURNS FOR A SHORT TIME AND THEN EITHER CRASHES (GPF) OR JUST DIES SILENTLY
Yabause 0.5.0: RUNS - SLOW - VDP2 SUPPORT LIMITED AND BUGGY
Cassini 4: RUNS - MINIMAL SLOWDOWN - OCCASIONAL BUGS DO NOT AFFECT GAMEPLAY TERRIBLY (with very few exceptions e.g. odd layer priority bug - reported on Cassini forums by me)
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-------Original Message-------
From: AmonX
Date: 23/09/05 12:30:12
To: Sega Of America
Subject: Requesting rights
Hello.
I am requesting the rights to girigiri and the sega saturn.
Thank you
-------Received Message-------
From: Sega of America
Date: 07/31/05 02:15:45
To: AmonX
Subject: RE: Requesting rights
Hello, how are your gentlemen?
All your base are belong to us.
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Originally posted by Quick Man@Mon, 2005-10-17 @ 11:25 PM
Less compatible? I'm calling bullshit on that one until you can provide some evidence.
I'll also take your lack of comment on my other points as an inability to argue against them.
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Sorry, that was an artifact of how I selected the posts to unapprove/split.Originally posted by Runik
On a complete unrelated note (sort of) ... why do I appear as the topic starter here in the dev section ?
Dear Mr. Zumwalt,
Thank you for e-mailing Sega Technical Support.
Please feel free to send a addressing your specific concerns to our
corporate office using the following information:
Sega of America, Inc.
Attention: Legal Department
650 Townsend Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, CA 94103-4908
At this , Sega no longer recognizes the GiriGiri emulator.
The GiriGiri team author Shinya Miyamoto is the original Copyright holder of 2001.
After he left the project and Sega took over, the emulator was short lived.
Sega took over the copyrights up to 2003 and never renewed them after the
theft of the unlock code to the commercial release and the project was canned.
Sega does not have any future plans for GiriGiri at this ,
and as you point out, the recent take over of Sega, will not likely even
consider emulation, as Sammy will be focusing on arcade systems.
Sega has never supported outside development, and never likely will.
All Sega systems and Games remain protected.
Sincerely,
-Sandi
Sega of America Technical Support
Third, this excerpt from the changelog for Cassini 4:
Of course, their forum is not a very useful place to see this resolved, as they merely delete views that do not support Cassini, or even ask reasonable questions about its legitimacy. Snail himself says that "no further debates, flames, or complaints about legality will be tollerated". In contrast, I have merely removed your posts from a thread where they were off-topic and gave them their own thread. In fact, the original Cassini thread started by Barnito a year ago is still on SX. So if you want to talk about ignorance and being aware of other peoples' points of view, I think SX has a better track record than the Cassini forum.Lastly, this post on the Cassini forums (go register and read, you might learn something).
Where can I, a normal guy on a fairly low budget of around £35, get a PC commlink card for use with the Action Replay for testing Saturn demos?